Did Krishna exist?
Most certainly, says
Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician who teaches in the
proffering astronomical, archaeological, linguistic and oral evidences to make
"I used to think of
Krishna is a part of Hindu myth and mythology. Imagine my surprise when I came
across Dr Narhari Achar (a professor of physics at the University of Memphis,
Tennessee, in the US) and his research in 2004 and 2005. He had done
the dating of the Mahabharata war using astronomy. I immediately tried to
corroborate all his research using the regular Planetarium software and I came
to the same conclusions [as him]," Pandit says.
Which meant, he says,
that what is taught in schools about Indian history is not correct?
The Great War between
the Pandavas and the Kauravas took place in 3067 BC, the Pune-born Pandit, who
did his MBBS from BJ Medical College there, says in his first documentary,
Krishna: History or Myth?.
say Krishna was born in 3112 BC, so must have been 54-55 years old at the time
of the battle of Kurukshetra.
Pandit is also a
distinguished astrologer, having written several books on the subject, and
claims to have predicted that Sonia Gandhi would reject prime ministership, the
exact time at which Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati would be released on bail
and also the Kargil war.
Pandit, as the
sutradhar of the documentary Krishna: History or Myth?, uses four pillars --
archaeology, linguistics, what he calls the living tradition of India and
astronomy to arrive at the circumstantial verdict that Krishna was indeed a
living being, because Mahabharata and the battle of Kurukshetra indeed happened,
and since Krishna was the pivot of the Armageddon, it is all true.
You are a specialist
in nuclear medicine. What persuaded you to do a film on the history/myth of
Krishna? You think there are too many who doubt? Is this a politico-religious
message or a purely religious one?
We are always taught
that Krishna is a part of Hindu myth and mythology. And this is exactly what I
thought as well. But imagine my surprise when I came across Dr Narhari Achar (of
the Department of Physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the
US) and his research somewhere in 2004 and 2005. He
had done the dating of the Mahabharata war using astronomy.
I immediately tried
to corroborate all his research using the regular Planetarium software and I
came to the same conclusions. This meant that what we are taught in schools
about Indian history is not correct.
I also started
wondering about why this should be so. I think that a mixture of the
post-colonial need to conform to western ideas of Indian civilisation and an
inability to stand up firmly to bizarre western ideas are to blame. Also, any
attempt at a more impartial look at Indian history is given a saffron hue.
I decided that I
could take this nonsense no more, and decided to make films to show educated
Indians what their true heritage was. The pen is mightier than the sword is an
old phrase but I thought of new one: Film is the new pen.
Any ideas I have will
receive wide dissemination through this medium.
I wanted to present a
true idea of Indian history unfettered by perception, which was truly
scientific, not just somebody's hypothesis coloured by their perceptions and
Why not a documentary
on Rama, who is more controversial in India today? Proof of his existence would certainly
be more than welcome today...
A documentary on Rama
is forthcoming in the future. But the immediate reason I deferred that project
is the immense cost it would entail. Whereas research on Krishna and Mahabharata
was present and ready to go.
Further more, Rama
according to Indian thought, existed in the long hoary ancient past of Treta
Yuga, where science finds it difficult to go.
There is a
controversial point in your documentary where someone Isckon monk alludes to
Krishna as being the father of Jesus. How can you say that since there is an age
gap of roughly 3000 years between the two spiritual giants?
Is Krishna the
spiritual father of Jesus? That is what the person who was training to be a
Roman Catholic priest, and who now worships Krishna, asks. The answer comes
within the field of comparative religion and theology.
scriptures qualify Jesus as the son of God. Most Indians have no problems
accepting this as Hindus are a naturally secular people. However, then the
question that arises is, if Jesus is the son, then who is the Father or God
scriptures do not really give the answer except to say that the Father is
all-powerful and omnipresent. Now, of course, we know that Jesus does not say
that he is omnipresent or omnipotent.
Now, no scripture can
live as an island, all by itself, and the Srimad Bhagavatam and other scriptures
such as the Bramha Samhita all call Krishna as an all powerful, omnipresent
So, if we use these
words of Bhagavatam, there can be no other truth, which means that Krishna is
the father of all living creation.
But it does not mean
that Jesus is not divine. Jesus is indeed divine. What I liked about the monks
in my documentary is that they do not denigrate Jesus although they worship
Krishna as God. They keep Jesus in their hearts, while worshipping Krishna. What
could be more secular or more Christian?
3067 BC is when the
Mahabharata war took place, says Dr Achar. How did he arrive at this?
There are more than
140 astronomy references in the Mahabharata. Dr Achar used simulations of the
night sky to arrive at November 22, 3067 BC, as the day the Mahabharata war
He used the
references common to Udyoga and Bhisma Parvan initially, and so Saturn at
Rohini, Mars at Jyestha with initially only the two eclipses, Lunar at Kartika
and Solar at Jyestha.
Let me tell you how
rare this set of astronomical conjunctions is.
The Saros cycle of
eclipses is periodic at 19 years and so is the Metonic cycle of lunar phases.
So if I say that
Amavasya has occured at Jyestha, then this will occur again in 19 years, but if
I say that a solar eclipse has occured at Jyestha, then this occurs again at
Jyestha only after 340 years. Add Saturn at Rohini and we take this to 1 in
7,000 years. This set of conjunctions takes all of these into consideration, but
also takes all the other data into consideration.
So now, we know about
Balarama's pilgrimage tithis and nakshatras, and believe it or not, all that
fits the 3067 BC date perfectly.
And to top it all, so
does the repetition of the three eclipses described at the destruction of Dwarka
36 years later.
This would explain
why so many other researchers tried and failed to find the date of the
Mahabharata war as it is based on such a unique set of astronomy that it occured
only once in the last 10,000 years.
So essentially, your
thesis is that since the Mahabharata war actually happened, as confirmed by
astronomical deduction, Krishna was also a living entity since he's the fulcrum
of the Great War?
Not just that, but
the fact that archaeology, oral and living traditions point to the same. And
yes, we cannot separate the Mahabharata war from Krishna. If one is shown to
have happened, then the other must be true as well.
What's your next
The next project is
called Indian Jesus. It is already 80% complete. It is very controversial but
needed to be done. Living in India convinced me that there are definitely many
paths to God. Anybody who lives in India and does not subscribe to
that concept should be termed intolerant, but instead the opposite is happening.
There are some people today who call their God as God and mine as the devil,
this is unacceptable, and I will see to it that those intolerant concepts are
demolished. I long to see a one borderless world where we live in mutual
respect. I cannot say much on the project but to say that I will prove that the
underlying basis of religions is the same.
There is talk of a
banyan tree which the documentary says was a witness to the
Battle of Kurukshetra, where
4 million people are said to have died in 14 days.
Where exactly does this exist? Has the tree been carbon-dated to confirm its
There is indeed a
banyan tree at Jyotisaar in Kurukshetra which is worshipped as such. This
concept is similar to the tree in Jerusalem, which is thought to have witnessed Jesus's arrival.
Carbon-dating of this banyan tree is unlikely to give any concrete answers. I
have included it in the documentary to show the living tradition of
India --- like worship of the Ganges
cannot be carbon-dated to give any answers.
There is a gentleman
named Ram Prasad Birbal, who said he has found many bones which are said to
belong to the Kurukshetra battle. Has this been scientifically proved?
Ram Prasad Birbal is
a resident of Kurukshetra. I am not aware of carbon dating of those bones. But I
am informed that thermo-luminescent dating of other relics as well as
carbon-dating at other sites in Kurukshetra have given dates far older than the
Indus valley civilisation. Further, Euan Mackie, an eminent
archaeologist, had found a clay tablet of Krishna's Yamalaarjuna episode at
Mohenjedaro, a site of the Indus Valley
civilisation proving that even in 2200 BC, there was a culture of worshipping
You said Hinduism
spread across South East Asia in those times
... how big was this religious empire?
The Hindu religious
empire extended across the whole of the Asian sub-continent to South East Asia,
from Afghanistan to Thailand (where Ramayana and Krishna are still shown through
dances), Burma, Cambodia (Angkor Wat, Angkor Thom, Bayon, etc), Vietnam, Laos
(little Kurukshetra and temples), Malaysia (which was Hindu until recent) up to
Java (more temples), Bali (where Hinduism is still the religion) and Indonesia,
where Bhima's grandson is said to have performed a thousand fire rituals at
Yogyakarta. Afghanistan was
of course home to both the Yadu race and Shakuni (Kandahar or Gandhar).
Dr Achar said the
Kurukshetra war must not have happened on a full moon day.
The Mahabharata war
did not start on an Amavasya. That is straight forward.
Krishna tells Karna
"Saptama chappi divasat Amavasya Bhivasyati" and says that Karna should tell
Drona and Bhisma to do the ayudha (weapons) pooja on that date. But not start
fighting the war on that date.
The documentary is
quiet crisp. I am told this is the first time you held a camera, and learnt how
to shoot. How many days did this take and what was your budget?
I learnt film editing
first using a variety of software such as Final Cut 6 as I realised that a film
director must be able to do decent basic editing to realise what to shoot, from
what angles and for what duration.
I bought a
professional grade HD movie camcorder initially and then learnt to shoot before
we went filming in 8 major Indian cities, the US, UK and Cambodia.
prepares you as thoroughly as filming on your own. Most of this was done with a
skeleton crew, mostly handling audio.
I later was funded to
buy the latest Cinealta tru HD movie cameras, which are not available in
India, and which I am now proficient in using. I also
taught a few crew members how to shoot.
Then came the task of
assembling a team of professionals to do editing, graphics, voice over and all
else, so that I had a team of people for my next set of documentaries.
It was a steep
learning curve, as I never went to film school, but it has worked out well, with
people within the industry who are veterans complimenting my work. I personally
think that it was all God's grace.
The budget was 15,000
pounds or approximately Rs 12 lakh. It took me 18 months to complete.
Your documentary says
India did not have a tradition of putting down
everything in writing till 325 BC, when Alexander the Great arrived. How did you
come to this conclusion?
This is what the
current scientific belief is. Although people have talked about deciphering the
Valley "script", there is no
straightforward conclusion about the same, so we stuck to the "official line"
there. We will deal with these issues in a future documentary.
S R Rao, the marine
archaeologist from the National Institute of Oceanography, found a 9th century
building, and an entire city. Where was this and when did he find it?.
S R Rao found the
sunken city of Dwarka
a few years ago at Beyt Dwarka in the early 1990s.
Apparently, this city
near Dwarka was set up 36 years after the Mahabharata war. Is this the summation
It is believed that
due to damage and destruction by the sea, Dwaraka has submerged six times and
the modern-day Dwarka is the 7th such city to be built in the area.
Scientifically speaking, we see that 36 years after the war there were the same
repetitions of an eclipse triad as we have shown in the documentary.
From Dwarka to
Kurukshetra is more than 1,000 km. How do you think Krishna travelled to help
As a scientist, I
believe that they travelled on horses which would enable them to reach pretty
quickly. If you consider 1,000 km, that should take him 7 days if he had a
string of horses. Of course if you take faith into account, then it could happen
in a twinkling of an eye.
What's the link
between the two comets that Sage Vyasa talked about, the retrograde motion of
Mars (Mangal or Kuja) at Antares (Jyestha) to all this
The idea that comets
are harbingers of doom is well-documented. The thing is that there is a set of
statements describing comets and their positions. Only Dr Achar has arrived at
the correct deduction, that those sentences in Bhisma Parvan relate to comets,
not planets --- which is where previous researchers found it difficult.
We know that Halley's
comet was seen in that year as well.
Dr Achar interpreted
verses from the Bhism Parvan and Udyog Parvan to arrive at various conclusions.
One of them is that when Saturn in at Aldebaran (Rohini) it brings great bad
tidings. The last time this happened was in September 2001, when 9/11 happened.
When does this happen next?
Actually Saturn at
Rohini is long known to be a bad omen by astrologers. Rohinim Pidyannesha Stitho
Rajan Shanischarah. This transit happened in 1971 where a million or so were
killed, and again in 2001 September, when 9/11 happened. The next time is in
2030/2031 AD approximately.
When is the next time
Mars will be in Antares?
Mars at Jyestha has
to be taken in conjunction with the other things mentioned by Karna when he
talks to Krishna, as it occurs every year. In any case, those people were great
astronomers and not just warriors, so we don't know what the extent of their
knowledge was regarding these events, In my personal humble opinion it was
perhaps even better than that which we have today.
Contact Dr Pandit at